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    Army: MultiCam allowed only in Afghanistan



    Message spells out usage rules of new camo
    By Matthew Cox - Staff writer
    Posted : Monday Jul 12, 2010 6:18:04 EDT

    The Army put out a message to soldiers who will receive new MultiCam uniforms for Afghanistan — don’t plan on wearing your fancy new duds to the bank at lunch time.
    The strict new rules that will govern the fielding and wear of the new Operation Enduring Freedom Camouflage Pattern uniforms are laid out in a June 10 All Army Activities message.
    “OCP is authorized for wear in Afghanistan only,” the message states. “Only U.S. Army soldiers and members of other services assigned to U.S. Army units operating in Afghanistan are authorized” to wear the new pattern.
    The Army selected MultiCam as the new pattern for Afghanistan in February after it outperformed the Army Combat Uniform’s Universal Camouflage Pattern and several other popular patterns in multiple Army tests.
    U.S.-based units will begin receiving MultiCam uniforms and equipment by August. Soldiers are only allowed to wear MuliCam in Afghanistan, “during travel to or from Afghanistan,” and “for unit ceremonial events just prior to deployment or just after redeployment,” the message states.
    As far as pre-deployment training goes, soldiers can wear MultiCam, “but only if UCP items are not available,” the message states.
    The Army plans to begin fielding to units already serving in Afghanistan by November, but only units with “120 days or more remaining in Afghanistan” will receive the new uniforms and equipment in MultiCam.
    Each soldier’s clothing records will be updated during the fielding process to “ensure total accountability,” the message states. “There will be no exceptions.”
    Soldiers will be allowed to keep the MultiCam Fire-Resistant ACUs, caps and other accessories when they return from deployment, but will be required to turn in their MultiCam Modular Lightweight Load-bearing Equipment, Extended Cold Weather Clothing System Generation III items, body armor, and helmet covers, Army spokesman Lt. Col. Jimmie Cummings told Army Times on June 24.
    Soldiers are “prohibited” from buying MultiCam uniforms and equipment from any place other than Army and Air Force Exchange Service clothing sales stores.
    MultiCam, made by Crye Precision LLC, was the top performer in a computerized, photo-simulation test the Army conducted late last year. Tests included photographs taken in desert, woodland, cropland and mountain terrain settings.
    The pattern features seven shades of brown, tan and green. It had already been a top performer in two previous Army studies.
    One of the tests, “Photosimulation Camouflage Detection Test,” conducted by U.S. Army Natick Soldier Research, Development and Engineering Center from March 2007 to March 2009, showed that MultiCam and three other patterns outperformed the existing UCP.
    A previous Natick study, called “Computerized Visual Camouflage Evaluation,” conducted from November 2005 to July 2006, found that “MultiCam performed significantly better than the UCP in most conditions.”
    Separately, Army Special Operations Command has also tested MultiCam in different environments worldwide, including Iraq and Afghanistan, and found that it outperformed the Army’s standard pattern. Army special operations units such as Delta Force, some of the 75th Ranger Regiment and some Special Forces teams wear the MultiCam pattern instead of the UCP in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    For the most recent photo-simulation test, a special team spent 17 days in Afghanistan, taking more than 1,000 photographs of camouflage uniforms and equipment in desert, woodland, cropland and mountain settings between Kandahar and Bagram. Each photograph was calibrated to show the correct color despite varying daylight conditions.
    The nine-man team went outside the wire nearly every day, providing their own security as they took turns modeling the test patterns for photographs.
    The photos from the trip were turned into a three-phase test taken by soldiers from Fort Bragg, N.C., Fort Campbell, Ky., and Fort Drum, N.Y.
    WHAT YOU’LL GET

    Soldiers will be given:
    • 4 sets of MultiCam fire-resistant uniforms
    • 4 combat shirts and matching combat gear
    • Select layers of the Gen III Extended Cold Weather Clothing System.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefwarrantofficer View Post
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    Army: MultiCam allowed only in Afghanistan - Army News, news from Iraq, - Army Times

    Army: MultiCam allowed only in Afghanistan



    Message spells out usage rules of new camo
    By Matthew Cox - Staff writer
    Posted : Monday Jul 12, 2010 6:18:04 EDT

    The Army put out a message to soldiers who will receive new MultiCam uniforms for Afghanistan — don’t plan on wearing your fancy new duds to the bank at lunch time.
    The strict new rules that will govern the fielding and wear of the new Operation Enduring Freedom Camouflage Pattern uniforms are laid out in a June 10 All Army Activities message.
    “OCP is authorized for wear in Afghanistan only,” the message states. “Only U.S. Army soldiers and members of other services assigned to U.S. Army units operating in Afghanistan are authorized” to wear the new pattern.
    The Army selected MultiCam as the new pattern for Afghanistan in February after it outperformed the Army Combat Uniform’s Universal Camouflage Pattern and several other popular patterns in multiple Army tests.
    U.S.-based units will begin receiving MultiCam uniforms and equipment by August. Soldiers are only allowed to wear MuliCam in Afghanistan, “during travel to or from Afghanistan,” and “for unit ceremonial events just prior to deployment or just after redeployment,” the message states.
    As far as pre-deployment training goes, soldiers can wear MultiCam, “but only if UCP items are not available,” the message states.
    The Army plans to begin fielding to units already serving in Afghanistan by November, but only units with “120 days or more remaining in Afghanistan” will receive the new uniforms and equipment in MultiCam.
    Each soldier’s clothing records will be updated during the fielding process to “ensure total accountability,” the message states. “There will be no exceptions.”
    Soldiers will be allowed to keep the MultiCam Fire-Resistant ACUs, caps and other accessories when they return from deployment, but will be required to turn in their MultiCam Modular Lightweight Load-bearing Equipment, Extended Cold Weather Clothing System Generation III items, body armor, and helmet covers, Army spokesman Lt. Col. Jimmie Cummings told Army Times on June 24.
    Soldiers are “prohibited” from buying MultiCam uniforms and equipment from any place other than Army and Air Force Exchange Service clothing sales stores.
    MultiCam, made by Crye Precision LLC, was the top performer in a computerized, photo-simulation test the Army conducted late last year. Tests included photographs taken in desert, woodland, cropland and mountain terrain settings.
    The pattern features seven shades of brown, tan and green. It had already been a top performer in two previous Army studies.
    One of the tests, “Photosimulation Camouflage Detection Test,” conducted by U.S. Army Natick Soldier Research, Development and Engineering Center from March 2007 to March 2009, showed that MultiCam and three other patterns outperformed the existing UCP.
    A previous Natick study, called “Computerized Visual Camouflage Evaluation,” conducted from November 2005 to July 2006, found that “MultiCam performed significantly better than the UCP in most conditions.”
    Separately, Army Special Operations Command has also tested MultiCam in different environments worldwide, including Iraq and Afghanistan, and found that it outperformed the Army’s standard pattern. Army special operations units such as Delta Force, some of the 75th Ranger Regiment and some Special Forces teams wear the MultiCam pattern instead of the UCP in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    For the most recent photo-simulation test, a special team spent 17 days in Afghanistan, taking more than 1,000 photographs of camouflage uniforms and equipment in desert, woodland, cropland and mountain settings between Kandahar and Bagram. Each photograph was calibrated to show the correct color despite varying daylight conditions.
    The nine-man team went outside the wire nearly every day, providing their own security as they took turns modeling the test patterns for photographs.
    The photos from the trip were turned into a three-phase test taken by soldiers from Fort Bragg, N.C., Fort Campbell, Ky., and Fort Drum, N.Y.
    WHAT YOU’LL GET

    Soldiers will be given:
    • 4 sets of MultiCam fire-resistant uniforms
    • 4 combat shirts and matching combat gear
    • Select layers of the Gen III Extended Cold Weather Clothing System.
    So the multi-cam is only for Afghanistan? So once back stateside, or not deployed for those of you stationed outside the U.S., you switch back to the gray things? That sucks.

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    Nope - that's the way it goes; we maintain uniformity. The chief reason for uniforms is to identify friendlies and reduce fratricide; camouflage is only a secondary function, or we'd all be in ghillie suits. I have a bag full of FRACUs, Army Combat Shirts, Boonie caps and other gear I was only allowed to wear in Iraq.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt Medic TXARNG View Post
    Nope - that's the way it goes; we maintain uniformity. The chief reason for uniforms is to identify friendlies and reduce fratricide; camouflage is only a secondary function, or we'd all be in ghillie suits. I have a bag full of FRACUs, Army Combat Shirts, Boonie caps and other gear I was only allowed to wear in Iraq.
    Well no I understand the uniformity factor of it, that's why I think they Army should do away with the gray uniform altogether. I have yet to see, even in an urban environment, buildings that are all gray. I like the mixing of the colors concept to include the tan and green, just don't think gray should be one of the colors. And if they're gonna issue two types of cammies depending on what environment they soldiers are in, at least make it practical like the Marines do and have woodlands and deserts. An old saying just comes to mind when I see the all in one pattern, "Jack of all trades, Master of none".

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidansley View Post
    Well no I understand the uniformity factor of it, that's why I think they Army should do away with the gray uniform altogether. I have yet to see, even in an urban environment, buildings that are all gray. I like the mixing of the colors concept to include the tan and green, just don't think gray should be one of the colors. And if they're gonna issue two types of cammies depending on what environment they soldiers are in, at least make it practical like the Marines do and have woodlands and deserts. An old saying just comes to mind when I see the all in one pattern, "Jack of all trades, Master of none".
    The Army is issuing two patterns ACU/UCP and Multicam. The Army just invested billions of dollars fielding the ACU and I don't see them getting rid of it anytime soon, especially for Soldiers in Garrison. The other articles I've read about Multicam all said the ACU worked well in Iraq's urban environment.

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    The ACU does do its two jobs - IFF and limited camouflage - well in the majority of Iraq's environments. And the colors are Desert Tan, Foliage Green, and Urban Gray. Again, people who depend on concealment as part of their job description will never rely on a mass-produced solution, as there's no such thing - each camouflage situation is unique, and the sniper/operator/whatever must tailor his concealment accordingly.
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    I don't personally like the idea of multicam. as davidansley said: "Jack of all trades, Master of none".. to add to that i am quite sceptical of the performance while there is movement.

    The movement while remaining fairly camoflaged is the strong point of digital pattern... since CADPAT.. to your MARPAT..
    Granted i do not really like the UCP that much aither because its borderline biased torvards the desert scale and is in my opinion a shining beacon in any forested area, even tropical ones.
    Grunt Medic TXARNG has a really good point about the friendlyuniform recognizing.

    And of course i gotta play for the home team here and say once a gain that our *M05* is still among the best solutions i have seen.

    one place comes to mind where Multicam would be the king.... thats Chernobyl exclusion zone where the plantlife is taking over otherwise gray buildings and remnants of a civilization.
    otherways all the pro Multicam pictures i have seen are from enviroment exactly awesome for the camoflage it self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt Medic TXARNG View Post
    The ACU does do its two jobs - IFF and limited camouflage - well in the majority of Iraq's environments. And the colors are Desert Tan, Foliage Green, and Urban Gray. Again, people who depend on concealment as part of their job description will never rely on a mass-produced solution, as there's no such thing - each camouflage situation is unique, and the sniper/operator/whatever must tailor his concealment accordingly.
    Ditto,

    The average soldier does not need camouflage for concealment purposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt View Post
    Ditto,

    The average soldier does not need camouflage for concealment purposes.
    It's not so much about the camouflage factor in the case of being in garrison. It just looks really f'ing gay in my opinion. And I know my opinion won't change anything, just felt like stating it. And as far the statements about the ACU working well in Iraq, Bull! The buildings in Iraq are all tan or brown. There is no way that ACU fabric will blend in with that!

    Case in point...

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidansley View Post
    It's not so much about the camouflage factor in the case of being in garrison. It just looks really f'ing gay in my opinion. And I know my opinion won't change anything, just felt like stating it. And as far the statements about the ACU working well in Iraq, Bull! The buildings in Iraq are all tan or brown. There is no way that ACU fabric will blend in with that!
    Case in point...

    Yes. this is exactly what im talking about. it would be absurd here...

    compare.

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