Thread: Waiver/security clearance

These things change regularly with the Army. A year ago, they were taking waivers like crazy. Now, not so much. Whether or not the charges were counted as misdemeanor, gross mis, or felonies does not matter to the Army - they have their own criteria for how they count. I can't see 3 trespasses, 2 harassments, and 2 disorderlies going over very well.

Yeah, my recruiter was saying that the harassment weighed more heavily than the trespass, for example (I'm assuming since it hints more at personal character/values.)

Are you saying my chances of getting into the army are slim? Or just of ever being able to pursue a career requiring security clearances?

Also, one of the two trespasses was expunged a little over a year ago; I don't know if that makes a difference. Whether or not a computer background check will find it initially, I would rather be upfront and honest about it than get into trouble later on.

Camel9, you might have to wait, If you want a High Speed Career in our Army. Yes at one time we we're taking waviers like crazy but that was awhile ago. You still might get a chance now to join the Infantry within the next year or two. MP, our resident recruiter would know better. But, I do know ALL about being prepared for SFAS. if you want to class up EOD or SFAS..No way right now. The pipeline is full with top knoch recruits reaching their goals. My advice to you is to get all you're legal troubles squared away including you're pending fines and stay in school and graduate with you're degree. You need to continue working hard to turn over a new leaf. You're a young guy and there's plenty of time to fomulate a plan to continue reaching you're goals of a high speed job. You are already or you wouldn't be here asking questions. Infantry provides great experience on the road to SF / QP world. We all make mistakes. It's what we do TODAY that determines TOMORROW..Things change all the time depending on the needs of our Army. Maybe within two years you may have a shot. By then you might be good to go with no debt or pending fines. SFAS is not meant to be easy. It's a tough grid and a hard road. Many try. Most fail. Don't be one.

Good Luck Adam..

Nightflyer

Originally Posted by MPclk2006

all those charges which ARE at least misdemeanors

None of them are misdemeanors, they're all summary offenses, which are the non-traffic equivalent of a driving citation. I'm not saying you're wrong; I know that they are misdemeanors in many states, but in PA where I live, they are all summary NTC's and considered local ordinance violations and tried as such in a district court. Steeper offenses go to at least the county court.

Although I suppose the Army isn't going to say that my criminal trespass charge is any less serious than the next guy's, just because it counts as a misdemeanor in his state but only as a summary in mine.

It's possible that you might get in but at this time doubtful. You have too many offenses against you. This reflects on your character.

Recruiters are writing as many contracts that are available. There are no shortage of recruits & the Army now has the pick of the litter in signing people up. There is no necessity in most cases for a Recruiter to get anybody in that requires waivers.

Keep working with your Recruiter. If he's willing to submit a request for waivers that'll be great. Whether you'll get them is another matter entirely. It'll be out of his hands once they're submitted.

Possibly some time in the future when there are fewer recruits & time has passed since your last offense it might be easier enlisting. Keep trying if that's what you really want.

MPclk is an Active Army Recruiter & knows what's going on. If he says that you'll be DQed form enlisting you can pretty much take it to the bank.

I wouldn't count on getting into any Special Operations jobs at this time. From everything I've heard SF & Rangers are getting all of the qualified volunteers they can handle. They can afford to chose only those that have squeaky clean records.

wow for a 17 year old kid, you seem like a very smart person to already have 4 semesters of college. Why can't you stay away from trouble?

Anyway, due to your age and lack of maturity; I will focus on finishing college and when you are done in two years and some time has lapsed with your misconduct incidents; then I will pursue the Army.

I dont care if they were small incidents but an harassment, trespassing and disorderly conduct is not taken lightly. And that type of offense is not expected of a soldier, so I hope you learned your lesson.

Dont worry, your time will come.

Heed the Chief's advice. I also forgot to mention, & what MPclk alluded to, was the fact that the Army might consider some offenses you've commited differently than the civilian courts do. What might not be a misdemeanor to civilian authorities might be considerd as one by the army. Same goes for anything that a local law might be considered to be a misdemeanor could be considered a felony to the Army.