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    hello i am debating between 11b or 19d i am leaning toward 19d, my first concern is can i select the airbourne school option in my contract with 19d? and the second is if there is anyone that can give me a brief description of both of these jobs, my recruiter isnt much help and he is the third one i have had in 2 months, i have watched some of the youtube videos and 19d seems almost the same as 11b except they have vehicles.

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    hey man i just joined and my mos is 19d. what i understand and correct me if i am wrong anyone but being a 19d you are like a spook for the army. You set up posts and observe the enemy and determin how powerful they are and foward this intel back to your highers. This is only hearsay thought dont hold me to it.

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    Phillipsa, 19 is Armor, that means you will be a crewmember on a tank. If your recruiter didn't know that he is...Well anyway, as a 'crewmember' you will be among the elite. Yes, at first you will be a driver or loader, but as you progress you will become gunner and eventually Tank Commander (TC). Everything on the M1 Tank is connected with work (changing track, engine, cleaning, maintenance)) and high technical stuff. Much like on an airplane. I don't want to get into details because some of it is new. (confidential). But, to my knowledge no one has ever died on an M1 tank in Iraq/Afghanistan because of enemy action. (snipers being an exception). So, look forward to an interesting activity that you will talk about when your grandchildren are rocking on your knees. B.K.R Commander B 1/40th 'The Master Tankers' ex Ft.Polk Louisiana.

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    how many blokes in an m1 crew? have you ever been in one of our (brit) challenger 2's? how would you say they compare? cheers mate

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    If you want to learn more about 19 Deltas check out http://www.cavalryscouts.org/forums/index.php?act=idx

    I ship on the 13th as a Delta.

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    Winter, There are 4 men on an M1. Loader, driver, gunner and TC (Tank Commander). The TC is usually a Staff Sergeant (E6) sometimes Platoon Sergeant (E7). The Platoon Leader TC (who also has a tank) is a Lieutenant (2nd or 1st). The Gunner is usually a SP4 (E4) or SGT (E5), the loader and driver is a PVT or PFC or SP4. There are 3 tanks to a Platoon and 3 Platoons to a Tank Company plus 1 tank for the Company Commander=10. It used to be 5 tanks per Platoon=15, plus one for the Company Commander=16 plus 1 tank with a blade in front for bulldozing an mine removal, called the Headquarters tank=17, plus an M88 recovery/Maintenance vehicle=18.

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    I want to go in for one of those too (11B or 19D). Can anyone give a more detailed description of 19D other than the generic GoArmy.com description?
    Some of your duties as a Cavalry Scout may include:
    • Secure and prepare ammunition on scout vehicles
    • Load, clear and fire individual and crew-served weapons
    • Perform navigation during combat
    • Serve as member of observation and listening posts
    • Gather and report information on terrain, weather and enemy disposition and equipment
    • Collect data to classify routes, tunnels and bridges
    • Employ principles of concealment and camouflage

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    What is a Cavalry Scout

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    A Cavalry Scout is the commander’s eyes and ears of the battlefield.

    To do this requires a unique soldier. He must be flexible, intelligent, resourceful, courageous, and crave danger to do the unique job of Scouting. The units are tightly woven groups, able to depend on one another at any time, irrelevant of rank, which is critical to their survival. They take great pride in both their history and traditions. Scouts must still earn their spurs and it is not an uncommon site to see black Stetsons, spurs and sabers worn for certain events and occasions.

    The number of common and specialized skills that Scouts are required to know, even at the lowest rank, outnumbers any other job on the battlefield. The job of gaining and maintaining contact with the enemy without being spotted, mounted or dismounted, and reporting all this intelligence to the commander so he can mass his forces to defeat them requires this tremendous amount of knowledge.

    Because the Cavalry Scout is such an invaluable asset on the battlefield, he is not usually used in the traditional combat role. He fights as a last resort and rarely as a combat multiplier, but has a tremendous amount of combat resources available to him to insure his survivability. It is not unusual to see a young Cavalry Scout coordinating both direct and indirect fires to decisively engage and destroy the enemy because he is the one with the eyes on the target. The term " Recon** out front " exemplifies the dangerous job and continuous threat of exposure to the enemy while working on or behind enemy lines.

    The term "Recon Scout" usually refers to a Cavalry Scout that works primarily in the light mode. They may be Airborne, Air Assault (helicopter inserted), or based on HMMWV’s* and conduct dismounted operations regularly. They take great pride in their ability to move amongst the enemy dismounted, traversing all types of terrain, while carrying all the gear necessary to accomplish the mission. This gear regularly exceeds 100 pounds because of the difficulty to resupply these soldiers and their risk of exposure while conducting operations.

    Technical note for non-military types:
    *A HMMWV is an acronym for High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle, pronounced Humvee.)
    **Recon is an abbreviated version of the word reconnaissance.

    Here are a few of the duties of a Cavalry Scout:
    1. Secure and prepare ammunition on scout vehicles
    2. Load, clear and fire individual and crew-served weapons
    3. Perform navigation during combat
    4. Serve as member of observation and listening posts
    5. Gather and report information on terrain, weather and enemy disposition and equipment
    6. Collect data to classify routes, tunnels and bridges
    7. Employ principles of concealment and camouflage

    Cavalry Scouts are required to constantly lift heavy objects and endure many stressful situations in combat. Being in top physical and mental shape for this job is crucial.

    Job training for Cavalry Scout requires Basic Training, where you learn basic Soldiering skills, and Advanced Individual Training, and 16 weeks of One Station Unit Training (OSUT). The training will take place primarily in the field with some classroom training. Cavalry Scout training never really stops. Whether it's taking part in squad maneuvers, target practice or war games, Cavalry Scouts are constantly working to keep their skills sharp and are in a constant state of readiness.

    Helpful attributes include:
    Readiness to accept a challenge and face danger Top physical and mental shape Ability to work as a team member

    Advanced level Cavalry Scouts supervise scout vehicle crews and scout vehicle recovery operations. They supervise maintenance of wheeled or tracked scout vehicles. They may also serve as an operations assistant at a brigade or squadron level.

    The skills you learn as a Cavalry Scout, such as teamwork, discipline and leadership, will help you in any career you choose.
    The 19D soldier has always been flexible when it comes to his job. A scout can be assigned to an M3A2, M3A2ODS, M3A3, a HMMWV family of trucks, the Stryker reconnaissance vehicle (RV), or on foot, which takes very adaptable soldiers to transition from vehicle to vehicle and do so successfully. Now factor in the required training that finds its origins in the military police, infantry, engineer, artillery, armor, and military intelligence branches, and the 19Ds have a very full plate.

    For years, cavalry scouts have been stepchildren, ignored by their parents, armor and infantry. The new Field Manual (FM) 3-20.8, Scout Gunnery, incorporates cavalry-specific combat requirements into gunnery for the M3, HMMWV, and Stryker RV platforms. Scouts have the versatility to move from unit to unit, from one platform to another, and use FM 3-20.98 throughout to be successful.

    There is a fundamental difference in how and why missions are conducted. Infantry's role, and for that matter, armor's role is to close with and destroy the enemy. Although a scout can certainly perform this mission, his main role is to gain intelligence on the enemy. This mission requires "sneak'n and peek'n" with a brigade reconnaissance troop, or hammering with a divisional cavalry squadron. Either way, the mission is to gain information on the enemy for the main body. With the cavalry mindset, we focus on the reconnaissance portion of the mission.

    If a soldier uses his vehicle to conduct a reconnaissance or rushes into a battle to destroy the enemy, he is following the "tanker" blood in his veins. If another soldier dismounts to conduct a reconnaissance or waits until he has overwhelming force to destroy an enemy, he is following the "grunt" blood he carries. The best thing about cavalry scouts is that they can and will do both. We are the "jack-of-all-trades" and will use every asset from both worlds to get the job done and come home safely.

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    Thanks dragogt.

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    No worries PM sent.

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